Casglwyd a golygwyd yr hanes llafar hwn gan Ganolfan Adrodd Storïau George Ewart Evans fel rhan o brosiect Straeon Bawso.

Mae prosiect Storiau Bawso yn brosiect partneriaeth arloesol rhwng Canolfan Adrodd Storïau George Ewart Evans (Prifysgol De Cymru), sefydliad cymorth arbenigol Bawso ac Amgueddfa Cymru. Ariannwyd y prosiect hwn gan Gronfa Dreftadaeth y Loteri Genedlaethol.

Mae caniatâd wedi'i roi i'r stori hon gael ei rhannu

a. Yn archifau a chasgliadau Amgueddfa Cymru
b. Ar wefannau, e.e. Casgliad y Werin Cymru, Bawso, Prifysgol De Cymru, Amgueddfa Cymru, etc.
c. Ar gyfryngau cymdeithasol, e.e. Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, ac ati.
d. Mewn cyhoeddiadau ysgrifenedig, e.e. adroddiadau prosiect, erthyglau cyfnodolion, ac ati.
e. Mewn unrhyw ddefnydd arall yn unol â nodau ac amcanion y prosiect

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Cyfweliad gyda Maria Rosa (Straeon Bawso)

Hyd: 00:34:32

 

[Trawsgrifiad ar gael yn Saesneg yn unig]

Nodyn: P = Cyfranogwr ; T = Cyfieithydd

Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you, again, for coming today.

[Speaks Portuguese].

P            Yes. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yes.

[Speaks Portuguese].

So my first question is, can you tell me a bit about your experience of coming to Wales?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay. Okay. Yeah, so said that, of course, she moved from Portugal to Wales, more completely and she said, the experience has been very positive, very good. She likes the city. It’s quiet.

P            Yeah.

T            She said, people are very friendly. When she moved, after a few months, she start going to college, to learn basic English because, of course, if her first language is Portuguese. She said, she tried. Of course, with her age, with, then didn’t help much. She knows that she still have some limitation, in terms of her communication but she still attending English class and insisting

P            Yeah.

T            That she wants to learn the basic, to be able to communicate with people, even though it’s the basic but she said, overall, it’s been very, very positive, very good for her.

P            Yeah, yeah.

How old were you when you came to Wales?

[Conversation in Portuguese].

P            Yeah.

T            Okay. She’s, she’s doing some calculation because currently, seventy-four. So she came in 2015.

              [Conversation in Portuguese]

T            Yeah, she said, around, around sixty-four. Yeah, something like that.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. Sixty-four years old, yeah, when she came.

P            Yeah, old. Very old.

And who did you come with?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay. So she explained that, of course, she was in Portugal and then, her daughter who’s living, decides to go back to Portugal and bring her over here because she wasn’t very well, in terms of her health, daughter was worried and then, decide to encourage her to come to stay with her. Since then, she stayed.

That’s nice. Nice to be together.

P            Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Has your relationship with Wales changed, at all, since those ten years?

T            Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. Yeah. So she, she explained, the experience she had from beginning up to now, she said, she didn’t see any change, people still friendly with her. She didn’t experience anything negative, anything that, you know, she can point that is bad. You know, it’s been always stable.

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            And okay. She hasn’t got anything bad to say.

That’s good. Yeah. Could you tell me a little bit about what the word, home, means to you?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. She said, where, the word, home, for her, it is where she can stay and feel good, feel better.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Receive the attention, love from other people.

P            Yeah.

T            You know, all the, the feeling, it is good in relation to the people that she’s living with.

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah.

T            She receive love. This, yeah. [Speaks Portuguese]. Yeah? [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese]. Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah, respect.

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah.

T            Yeah, things like that.

P            Okay. Good, good. [Speaks Portuguese]. Okay.

T            She said, no problem. Everything is good.

P            Yeah.

T            And the house, for her, represent that. Stay with people, family and receive love, attention, respect.

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

Can you describe a place or a time in your life that is important to you?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay. Yeah. So what she explained

P            [Speaks Portuguese]. Yeah, yeah.

T            Okay, okay. Yeah. What she said, initially, is one of the biggest moment of her life is when she had her children, two children. Initially, a boy and then a girl after. She said, was very, very important moment of her life, when she finish her qualification also, as a nurse, in, in São Tomé

P            Yeah.

T            And Príncipe.

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            And then, another big moment was when she moved to Portugal, very, in a, in a very difficult situation because they discover a cancer.

P            Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah.

P            Yeah.

T            Something in her throat, that wasn’t looking good at all. So they’ve said, it’s a cancer and she needs to go through operation. When she got in Portugal, she’s been through operation. So they’ve took part of the problem, to do a biopsy, and they found out it’s, it’s, it’s not, you know, the bad one. It was a, a, a, the benign one, benign one.

P            Yeah, benign. Yeah, yeah.

T            And she was very pleased and

P            Yeah.

T            Very happy and she always thank God for, you know

P            Yeah.

T            For the result. Yeah.

So you’re from São Tomé?

P            And Príncipe. Yeah.

Then you moved to Portugal?

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can you tell me a bit about your childhood and the earlier parts of your life, in those places?

T            [Conversation in Portuguese]

T            Yeah. So, explained that her experience in São Tomé was very, very, very positive. She said, she’s the first daughter and of course, she have got more brother and sisters and her experience has been very good, living with her family back home in São Tomé. It was just one house, big family, loads of brother and sister and she was very happy with everything. She had a very good experience there.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            She said, in São Tomé, of course, during her childhood, she remember happy moments with her family but then, now, she mentioned about having difficultly, difficulty times as well

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            In terms of, you know, poverty there, you know, few things were, was expensive and, you know, it was a big house, with so many children and because she was the eldest one, she could feel it more, yeah, going through all of this and she said, then, after that, she move in São Tomé to live with one of her auntie and this auntie was like a mother for her as well. And had the same, same name as her. And it’s someone that, you know, she raised with and this auntie give of plenty attention, love, affection.

P            Yeah.

T            And then, she start to become a nurse and that’s it. And then she moved to Portugal because of the health condition. Yeah.

P            Yeah.

How old were you when you went to Portugal?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay.  She said, when she moved to Portugal, when they discovered this problem, she was around, going to forty years old. Yeah.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

And you had your family in, in Portugal, then, after that?

Conversation in Portuguese.

T            Yeah. So, she said, before she travelled to Portugal, she had her children in São Tomé.

P            Yeah, yeah. São Tomé. Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

P            Okay.

Is there anything else you’d like to tell me about growing up in São Tomé and anything else about those experiences?

T            Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese]. Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            She said, of course

P            Difficulty [speaks Portuguese]. Yeah.

T            Yeah. She said, during her childhood, she remember, because she was the eldest daughter, she remember about some difficult moments, especially country itself because she said, always, difficulty with electricity, they used to cook. She mentioned about, do you, she, she told me, you remember the lamp that we’ve seen in the museum? It was similar. We used to have like petrol lamp, where you put the petrol and then, put it on. So she said, the electricity comes and goes, most of the times. And they, they used to, they used to cook on the charcoal, charcoal things.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Very traditional. Yeah.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            She said, they used to cook on the wood, wood.

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah. Difficulty, yeah.

T            They used to do a fire with wood, so they can cook as well.

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah.

T            So it’s been good, positive but, you know, loads of difficulties through these moments, as well.

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you for sharing a bit more.

P            Okay, okay.

You said a, you mentioned a little bit about Portugal, but I wondered if you could tell us a bit more about what it was like for you, living in Portugal, after you moved?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. So she said, in Portugal, when she got there, of course, after the operation and then when she gets better, she start working as a carer, in a big nursing home. She works there for quite a few years and then, initially, of course, she was living with some family members, initially, with her sister and then she moved to her cousin’s. So it’s been like that.

P            Yeah.

So you had some family living in Portugal?

P            Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. What was it like working in the care industry, in Portugal?

[Conversation in Portuguese].

T            Okay. Yeah, so she said, the experience in Portugal, work in the care home

P            [Speaks Portuguese]. Yeah, yeah.

T            Was not, was not very different from what she used to do in São Tomé because in São Tomé, she works as a nurse in the paediatric, look after children

P            Yeah.

T            In the paediatric department. So when she moved to Portugal, of course, she was work with elderly people but, you know, it was the same approach, looking after people, give them medication, you know, trying to help them as much as she can. So she said, was, was positive, good experience.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay. So she said doing this type of work, you need to work with your heart, not for money, just to give love

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            Just to be compassionate about people. Yeah?

P            Yeah.

Beautiful. Thank you.

P            Okay.

Can you tell me about a magic moment, when something changed for you? You’ve already mentioned the, the move. But I wondered if there’s something else? Another magic moment?

[Conversation in Portuguese]

T            Okay. Yeah. So she said, she remember when she complete seventy years old, and it was during the Covid. Of course, she didn’t done a big party but, you know, family members organised and made a lovely video for her. So everybody came on the video and, you know, just done like a good speech regarding her.

P            Yeah.

T            So loads of different family member.

P            Yeah.

T            It was a long video and it was very emotional for her.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Beautiful and she loved this moment. It was really beautiful for her.

Amazing. What are your hopes for the future?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay. So she, in terms of, you know, expectation for the future, of course, she would like to carry on healthy, being able to do things that she likes doing.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            And she doesn’t expect much, just being, being okay and, you know, thank God for everything she’ve got, every single day and for God to protect her. That’s it.

P            Okay.

That’s nice. Just being content.

P            Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Is there anything else you’d like to share, with us, or that you feel is important for us to know about you and your life? For the interview?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. She said, no, she can’t remember about anything specifically, no.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            No?

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            No. She said, she can’t remember about anything.

P            No.

I wonder if I could ask one question more? Just to go back to, you said, she’s the oldest?

T            Yeah.

Yeah?

T            Daughter, daughter.

Oldest daughter? Was there an older brother or

T            No.

She was the oldest and then?

T            The eldest, eldest

Yeah, child.

T            Child.

P            Yeah, yeah.

Did she feel that that meant she had different responsibility or more responsibility? I wonder if that felt like a specific role, in the family being the eldest?

              [Conversation in Portuguese]

T            She said, of course, she, she’s the eldest child but she said, when, when she was living with, you know, the family but she didn’t stay with her mother for long time because her auntie, of course, she passed away a long time ago but she used to like her too much and because she had just one child, one male child, she decide to take to stay with her. So she moved to her house when she was very little. So she didn’t feel that responsibility because she’s the eldest with

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Okay. Yeah. So she said, yeah, I, auntie used to love her so much and wanted me

P            Yeah.

T            With her. Yeah.

Okay.

P            Okay.

Lovely. So I wonder, now, if we can just go back to the museum?

T            Yeah.

If you can, what object, what object was it or objects were, was it, that she saw?

T            Yeah. So she saw the, the petrol lamp, you know, the lamp? Yeah, and also she’s mention about the, the, the, not the mug.

Steel cup, like the metal cup?

T            Metal cup.

Yeah.

T            Yeah, and mentioned a little about the mountain, mountain outside.

Oh yes. So maybe you can ask her if she can, let’s go one by one, with the metal cup, what can she remember about the metal cups, you know, from her past? What, what would they use them for, and can she describe a specific moment where, that she can remember using it, for a specific time?

[Conversation in Portuguese]

T            Yeah. So she, metal, metal mug? Is it metal mug?

Yeah. I think they’re made from like, like a type of iron.

T            Okay.

Or tin but let’s just call it the metal cup.

T            Yeah.

Yeah.

T            Yeah.

The metal, metal cup or tin.

T            Yeah.

Yeah, metal cup is fine. Yeah

T            Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I tell you what it is, enamel.

T            Oh?

It’s got that enamel on it, hasn’t it?

T            Exactly.

With the, yeah.

T            Exactly.

Enamel mug. Yeah.

T            Okay, yeah.

That’s what it’s called.

T            Yeah. So she said, of course, when she saw the metal cup, it reminds her back home because she said, back home, they used to sell a lot of these metal cup and in her house, of course, she used it several times and several occasions and she said, back home, normally, people likes to drink water on it because they’ve got the sensation that the water becomes colder when they drink from there. So it was more please, you know

P            Cold

T            To use, them. Yeah.

P            Water, yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah, yeah.

Also, you said, that they sold them, lots of them?

T            Yeah.

Where, could she also say, where they would buy them and?

T            Yeah.

Yeah.

[Conversation in Portuguese]

Thank you. Thank you.

Does she want to say anything more about any of the other objects? Any times she can remember using them or things like that, you know?

[Conversation in Portuguese]

T            Yeah. So, of course, another object that she’ve seen on the, on the museum that reminds her back home was the, the lamp. She said, of course, in São Tomé they used the same and it’s been, it was very, very helpful because they had problem with electricity there. So she mentioned about episodes, having electricity one day, another day, no electricity. So this lamp used to help, even when she was studying for her nurse course. Some days she had to do test or exams and with this lamp, she used to put it on, to read her books, to, you know, to go through, you know, the work that, you know, she was doing to become a nurse.

Yeah.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            And she said

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah, and she mentioned, now, that, even nowadays, people still using it because she went back home and she could find some families

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Using the same lamp, especially when there is no electricity.

P            Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese]. Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah.

I wonder, as well, with, with the metal cup, did she like drinking from it? Did she find it colder?

T            [Speaks Portuguese].

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. So she said, yes, the experience that she had is, when we put the water on it, because it’s very hot there, when drinking, it’s more, you know

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            Pleasant. Yeah. She said, she feels the difference.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah, and she’s mentioned, now, not just for water, even cup of coffee, cup of tea, they used to use. Yeah.

P            Milk.

T            Milk, everything.

Nice.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah.

Were there any other objects you had there?

T            No. No more objects.

No?

T            She just mentioned here about the mountains. Yeah? [Speaks Portuguese].

P            Yeah. [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. So she mention here that when

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah.

P            [Speaks Portuguese].

T            Yeah. She mention about the landscape. She said, it remind her, when she, of course, she visit the museum, looking around, she’s seen the landscape, and mountain. She found it very, very beautiful.

P            Yeah.

T            And it’s, you know, she travelled a little bit back to her home, home country, São Tomé and Príncipe.

P            And Príncipe.

T            Yeah, and Príncipe. So she, she, she found it very positive to see, you know.

P            Yeah, yeah.

T            The green and

P            Beautiful, beautiful.

T            You know, the beautiful scenery.

P            Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Wonderful. Okay?

P            Okay.

T            Yeah?

Okay. Shall we finish there?

P            Yeah. Thank you.

T            Yes?

Yeah. Thank you.

P            Okay.

Okay.

P            Okay.