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Cyfweliad gyda Madi (Storiau Bawso)

Hyd: 00:44:39

 

We met at St Fagans.

Yeah.

A good few weeks ago, now, isn’t it? A few weeks ago. It was a lovely sunny day and it would be great if you could tell me, again, about which objects were significant to you?

Yeah.

Yeah, so what would you like to tell us about?

Yeah, you know last time, I discussed with, is a wood mirror and I saw a lot of things like a bed, light and coal iron and a pocket bag and everything and a little bit explain about these things because when I saw these things and I, my back, childhood memories remembers, once again, and when I saw these things, I feel very happy and my face expression is totally changed and I’m feeling good, relaxed and comfortable and like these things, when I saw a village and it was my own home. Yeah.

So with the mirror.

Yeah.

You told us a bit about the mirror.

Yeah.

Is there anything else you’d like to tell us about the mirror? Let’s start with the mirror. Is there, for example, a particular event or something that happened with the mirror? You were talking about how you used to study in front of the mirror, sing and talk in front of the mirror. Is there anything, any other memories of being in front of the mirror that you want to share with us?

Yeah, most of time I’m talking with mirror, in and standing in front of mirror. A lot of, when I’m feeling sad, and sometimes I am crying in front of mirror, and a lot of crying, and then I feel and talk myself in front of mirror and I feel happy and really relaxed and give advice, now you’ve calmed down. Yeah.

So it was a way for you to kind of calm yourself down?

Yeah, calm myself down and, most of time, I’m talking with mirror.

What kind of things would you talk about?

Like myself. Like when my medical thoughts come in mind, and then I’m told everything in front, in front of mirror and then, it’s good. Yeah, because mirror is my best friend, in other words. Yeah.

Okay, that, yeah, that’s really lovely. Could you tell us anything else about the mirror? Is there anything else you’d like to add, maybe about how it made you feel?

Nothing, nothing and, you know, always my mom worried about mirror because I’m a lot of use it and my mom, no, no, no, no, please, maybe it’s a broken and then because it’s my mum wedding gift. Yeah, and nothing more.

Was it common to give a mirror as a wedding gift?

Yeah, yeah, because this mirror, like my mum wedding, is give them my fath-, like my grandpa, is a home, handmade. Yeah, is other than, is like, is very different another mirror, yeah. So

Why’s it different?

Like another mirror is simple and everything is a simple wood and then is a, like a small drawers and open and some beauty, like jewellery, and jewellery put in the box and everything. It’s a totally different because now these traditions and yeah, but now, this time, is a very like a different style but like a past and like it’s not the same mirror.

So the one in St Fagans, it looked the same or it looked different?

Same, same. Yeah. You know, when I’m sad and when I’m first like look this mirror, and when, just to go back my home, like oh, it’s my mirror. Yeah, it’s a very nice memory and I do sad, and I feel very happy. Yeah, I do, yeah, sometimes I do makeup in front of, of mirror and then, sometimes, I make TikToks videos in front of mirror and then, nothing. Yeah.

What did you enjoy about doing makeup in front of the mirror and TikToks? What was fun about that?

Yeah, like a, it’s easily handle the mirror because it’s a small and not a, so too much big and then, I do makeup and I feel happy all, yeah, and nothing more.

So what other objects did you have on your list?   

Yeah, the first is bed.

A bed?

Yeah, like same in a Pakistani new bed, it is especially is like a head, head design is totally similar in a Pakistani traditions bed. So it’s a old house, like a grandpa house, is mostly used a bed. In other word, like in our language, it is called a palang and now in this English word is bed, mostly and same like, now this is used a mattress but in Pakistan, a traditional bed uses a handmade mattress, like not a mattress, like a, it’s a like, like, it’s a bed sheet, like, you know, the handmade and

Is, does it have a special name?

Yeah, it’s a, in ours, Urdu language it is called like a, in Urdu language it’s a namar, namar. [Interpreter whispers to interviewee] Thalai, Thalai is a, a large, in English language is the kind of bed sheet. In our language, it’s called a Thalai. Nawar is a base.

Yeah, a base of bed and the then is a big head in the bed and, you know, then it’s full size is a big like a, is a, like I don’t, like a, a pole type. Yeah. It’s a big, it’s two side is a big pole, it’s a wood post. Yeah, post. It’s a two side and a big head in our, our bed and then in the down, like a base used as a namar in Urdu language. Yeah.

So can you tell me more about the bed you saw in St Fagans?

Yeah, just

And why, why that was interesting for you?

Yeah, just one thing is different in our bed. Basically, when I saw it in St Fagans, when is a wood base but in Pakistani bed is a handmade base, like I call, like you said, I’m saying, is an namar. Yeah, it’s different but almost is the same thing. It’s like a foot and head side, it’s same.

Can you describe, again, the, the structure?

Yeah, same. Like foot side is a two post side and then, head side is a big, yeah, and then, and so it’s a two type. It’s is a single bed and a double bed. Yeah, you know, a double bed is a, a big, big and then same thing structure.

What does it remind you of?

First expression and my mind is of my grandpa’s bed and I say, oh, he’s on my grandpa’s bed. Yeah, and my, like a grand fam, grandpa family is only one bed and nobody any use, especially child do not use, maybe is described as anything and is a very special bed in our house. Yeah.

So who would sleep in it?

Yeah.

Your grandpa?

Gran.

Grandparents?

Yeah, yeah. I have grandparents.

So only the, only the elders would sleep

Yeah.

Older people

Yeah.

Would sleep in the bed?

But child not allowed. Yeah.

What did it seem, what did the bed, when you were younger, in Pakistan, when you saw the bed, what did, what did you think? What did you feel? Did you want to sleep in the bed?

Yeah, many times, when I’m going to the grandpa or every like a cousin is a fighting, no, I am sleeping in this bed and then, oh no, no, I am sleeping in this bed and every time it’s a, a cousin’s fight. Yeah.

So were you, could you sleep in the bed?

Yeah, I am sleeping. You know, it’s a big, big bed. Not a two person and three or four to five, it’s easily sleep. Yeah, it’s the same structure in St Fagans.

So can you tell me more about how the bed was used by your family?

Like watching a movie, like in the sitting, especially in winter time, everybody sitting the bed and cover the, like a, a (unclear – 9:45:7) and then, watch the movies and eating something and enjoy because it’s a big head and a, like relaxing, sitting and then see the movie. Yeah.

Can you tell me about one specific time when you did that together?

Yeah, it’s especially is eight, eight pm, night time. Yeah.

Can you remember a specific time when you watched something? What did you watch? What did you eat and how did it make you feel?

Yeah, eight to nine. Eight to nine is a fixed time, where, where family’s together and we’re sitting they enjoy the gossips and eating something. Yeah.

What kind of things would you watch?

You know like a drama. A drama is movies, yeah.

Can you remember any times or moments or memories where something happened, something funny happened or something unexpected happened, you’re, either you were sitting there, on the bed, and I don’t know, something happened, something, something silly?

Yeah, sometimes always fight with my cousin because every, always I’m getting late in our, gong to the, my grandpa house and I have no seat in the bed and I am always crying and fighting, no, no, no, I am sitting in this bed but nobody give me the seat and then I always cry. It’s a funny moment. Yeah.

Is there anything else you’d like to tell us about the bed?

Nothing. Yeah.

Was there any other objects that you liked and enjoyed in St Fagans?

Lantern.

The lantern?

Yeah, lantern is a common and especially in a, like a old people mostly using the lantern because it’s a load shedding is a big issue in Pakistani and mostly people use, every house use the lantern in home and I am always like a fear and scared by lantern because put the, is a oil and then I am always oh no maybe there is a fire in lantern and always fire, scared. Yeah, and then, you know, first time I’m using the lantern, it’s a, you know, it’s a glass use, in the, in the side, inside and then, then I’m putting the oil in my hand, and it’s shivering and it’s a very special lantern. It’s only one lantern in our home because my fath-, my grandpa give to them my mother and it’s a proper, like my hand is shivering and put down and it’s a, a glass is broken and my mum is very short with me. What is this? And I am, sorry mum because it’s very special and the, this glass is not again repaired because it’s a specific glass. Yeah, or when I saw the lantern in St Fagans, I was, oh it’s mine. It’s a very, like when first click remind of this happening, oh it’s a broken in my hand. Yeah.

So it was really similar to the one?

Similar, it’s a similar, totally similar. Not change.

What, can you tell me a bit more about why it was feeling scary for you to light the lantern?

Yeah, because it’s a smell and it’s a light, it’s a orange light. I hate orange light. I don’t like and when it’s a, on the lantern, it’s a smelly. I don’t like this smell and I’m always, is a, what is this, mum?  You know, please don’t turn this one and, but now it’s broken, not, do not use. Yeah.

So were you happier then, when it was broke, didn’t have to be used anymore?

I’m so happy! Because I don’t like the orange light and the smell, it’s smelly, very different. Yeah.

Can you tell me more about how the lantern would be used in the house?

Yeah, sometimes it’s for kitchen. Mostly my mum made a food and then light is off. Load shedding is a big problem and then my mum urgently on and then, used the kitchen for food and lantern mostly used in Pakistan is like a every home. Yeah, mostly used is a gypsy people. Gypsy people, gypsy people mostly using lantern because there no exist like, it’s electricity and then, mostly using the, the lantern. In a village like it’s, a lot of gypsies travel.

Yeah, travellers, yeah.

Yeah.

But you’re, you have, you’re not having that background?

No, no.

No?

I have not.

But it’s common across

Yeah.

Across communities? Yeah. Can you tell me, last thing, a little bit more description, I think it’s a great story, a little bit more about this time when it broke? Can you tell me what happened? What you were doing? How it broke?

Yeah, because my mum is not in this moment at home and then I, so the light is off and I am more, saw darkness, everything because I am scared in darkness. It’s urgently I have no option, any other and just I put, it’s a bottom, it’s a, it’s a lid, I opened the lid and put the oil and then it’s like my hand is totally shivering and when then just to open the like a middle and the, on the light and then it’s a, oh it’s, I like pick the handle and it’s just my hand is shivering and then  let it down and, crash! And then, oh, what happened? And inside is I am so happy but my face expression is too much, oh my mum when is coming and shouting and I don’t know what happened next and then, my mum is coming and I’m, you know, just keep silent. My mum is, what is this? You don’t turn on the light. It’s a very dark and you. No, mum, I don’t like this light and then, when my mum turn on the mobile torch and then you will see and then my mum is to, what is this? And then I’m, no, sorry mum, it’s not my fault. Yeah.

And can you tell me, one, one last time, why are the lanterns important in the family?

Because they’re saving the electricity’s bill. Yeah, and because it’s very cheap source of an energy. Yeah.

Do they, how do you get the lantern?

Sometimes buy it and sometimes the gift to relatives. Yeah.

Does the gift have any significance?

No, nothing. No.

It’s not like the mirror? The mirror was like important

Yeah, mirror is

It’s not like that?

No, no, no.

Okay.

It’s not. Yeah.

Okay. Anything else you want to tell us about the lantern? That’s a great story.

Like our family is totally, mostly using lantern, you know, because my grandfather is a railway station, is officer. So is many times use the lantern and use a lot of, my grand fam, my family us a lot of lantern. Yeah, but I have only one lantern and I am broken this and I am so happy, it’s broken and my mum is always, when I remember, mum, please repair the lantern and you can use it. No, you only one mirror and you broken and no, I don’t repair and you broke again. Yeah, it’s a, still have in my home, in Pakistan.

So even though it’s broken, they still have it?

Yeah, it’s broken but it still have because it’s a, my mum memories, because my grandpa give as a gift, give them my mother. Yeah. Many things, I saw the St Fagans Museum and everything is related to the, my memories. It’s a, some memories is happy and some memories are bad but I was, I’m really happy, when, once again remember ever, my childhood memory. Yeah.

That’s great. How old were you, when you broke the lantern?

I think so, I am a nine year old. Yeah, and I broke this.

So, but you’ve remembered it?

Yeah.

So important

I remember, I am totally remember. I remembered this place is like a mud house, not a, like a and I am broken.

Yeah, so what kind of house were you living in, actually?

When I am childhood is a to, is, is mud house, not as a proper house but now everything is OK.

You can, later on, you can tell us a bit more about

Yeah, sure.

The mud house, if you’d like? Is there anything else from your list, from St Fagans, you want to tell?

Coal iron.

Sorry?

Coal iron.

Oh the

Coal iron.

Coal?

Coal. Yeah, coal.

The coal iron?

Yeah.

The iron for

Iron.

Ironing?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Iron. It’s a coal iron.

Okay.

It’s a only one in our village. Coal iron, it’s only my grandpa house. Yeah, it’s too much heavy. One time, when I am saw, oh, what is it? It’s a iron for pressing the clothes and everything. I know, okay, it’s a too heavy and then when I am carry and it’s laid down and my friend, my foot and I am crying and I am very naughty in childhood and then, it’s too heavy. Yeah.

So you dropped it on your foot?

Yeah, I did drop it on my foot and I am crying and my mum is like a, is too much shouting me. What happened? You know it’s not for you, it’s a heavy. Why are you putting this? Mum, no, I just check, what is this? Mum, you are blind? You see, it’s a, like a iron and why are this, you are touching this? I’m sorry, mum. Yeah.

Why do you think you wanted to play with it?

Because I have really no idea this is a iron because it’s a totally unique and I only first time saw. What is this? I’m think so, it’s like a car. It’s a, maybe it’s a toy and then playing with and seriously, when I’m touching and I put, it is too much heavy and drop on my foot because I am child, it’s a, this happening, I think so, I’m studying in the seventh class.

What age?

It, I think so, eleven, twelve, like something. Yeah.

So when you dropped it, what happened?

It’s a blood is coming because it’s too heavy and I’m too much crying and everybody around me. This is happening is my family gathering. Yeah, in grandpa house. Everybody is coming and, you know, child is very naughty and then, well it’s happening and everyone intentionally, oh what happened, what happened? Oh, is I’m just crying and my mum just shouting, what happened? What happened? Yeah, and then well I’m crying and so just is a bandage and then, relax.

It was broken?

No, no, no. It’s not broken iron because it’s too heavy and it’s a very strong.

I meant your foot?

Oh it’s just my foot.

Was your, was your foot broken?

Yeah, it’s a little bit and just is a nail.

Oh just a nail?

Nail is torn and then just bleeding. Yeah.

What was the family gathering?

I don’t exactly remember. I think so it’s a maybe my first cousin birthday. Yeah.

How many people were there?

It’s all family members, like my unc, uncle families, auntie families, everybody’s coming.

So when you dropped it, you said, everyone was running?

Oh I’m shouting, it’s loudly and crying. Oh everyone is tend to, oh what happened? What happened? And my mum is running, oh what happened? And then, then I just turned and every people and just my mum, shouting. Yeah.

So when you think of that memory, how does it make you feel, now?

You know, when I saw the same iron in the St Fagans Museum and I just tried to, no, no, no and maybe and once again, put it on my food and no, no, no and I just receive, oh, this iron. Yeah, it’s a, a good memory because, once again, bad during my childhood and my grandpa house and everybody is coming. Yeah. It’s a good, good for me. Yeah, I’m asking before, everything is a, is a, every things is memory, from my childhood memory, I’m so happy.

Anything else?

Some peoples forget everything but some things or some objects and saw that, and just to go back down to, in your childhood’s memory. It’s very good. Yeah.

Okay, anything else from St Fagans?

Farmhouse.

Farmhouse?

Yeah.

Which farmhouse was it, in the end? Is it the small hut?

Small huts.

With the bricks, the stone, the stone hut or which one is it?

It’s a small, not small house, like it’s a, it’s a hut type.

A what, sorry?

It’s a hut, farmhouse.

Farmhouse?

Yeah.

Yeah? Did you say, hunting, hunt?

Hut, it’s a similar in Pakistan.

Oh hut? Yeah.

Yeah, hut and then, it’s a, in our village, it’s a mostly gypsies coming, in our village, and especially in a, I think so, December, you know, in the winter, winter I think and, and handmade of, is a big hand, and one side is animals living and one side is people living, in one place. It’s a small kitchen, small bedroom and another side is maybe animals. Yeah, and the same structure I saw the St Fagans.

Yeah.

Yeah, and when I am sawing, oh it’s the Pakistani culture. It’s a Pakistan, like a Pakistani house. It’s a very good.

So can you remember being in the house or anything that happened in the farmhouse and how did it, can you tell us a bit about maybe how it smelled? What did it look?

It’s a smelly because, and visit only for one time because my mum is a doctor and then she is visiting different places and I am, please mum, I am inside this house. Okay, when I’m going this house, I feel smelly because it’s some animals one side, it’s a people living and it’s a cook food and everything, it’s only one place.

So everyone was living with

Yeah.

The animals in the farmhouse, all together?

Yeah.

Yeah.

All togethers.

You said, that was mostly the travellers who lived in the, in the farmhouse or?

Yeah, it’s the gypsies, mostly coming.

Okay, what kind of animals were in there?

Like a goat, guard sheeps and yeah, goats.

Why did your mum have to go to the, to the farm hut?

Basically, my mum is a health worker and well, you know, gypsy is coming, they have a baby and they just to try the polio drops and injections. Yeah.

So she was going there to give them some, some healthcare?

Yeah. Yeah, the healthcares and give them medicines and everything. I like the historical things and find something new and just I like to say, oh this type, it’s the houses are different of our house and I convinced my mum, please, next time you are going and please bring with me and okay, okay. Oh and my mum, no, no, no, you don’t like this and it’s a smelly house, it’s a something like and I’m, no, no, no, please mum and okay, mum, and then I’m going and see everything else. I take a lot of pictures and I talk in the peoples and I asking how to live in this house and then, people say, it’s our house, like you love your house and I love this type house. Yeah. It’s a very nice experience. Yeah, it’s the same houses in St Fagans and in our Pakistani house, but it’s different. In Pakistani houses, people living. In these houses are empty. Yeah.

Yeah, in St Fagans, it’s just

Just empty.

Yeah, and did you watch her give the medicine?

Yeah, like painkiller and the, any vaccinations, you know, and drop, polio drops and everything is, yeah, and my mum say to give the, re, record that everything’s, who’s peoples are coming in this village,  housewives and new people and everything is record in register. So yeah.

Thank you. Anything else about the farmhouse?

Farmhouse?

Anything else?

No.

No? That’s a really great story, too. Yeah.

I noticed one thing in gypsy people, living in a farmhouse, it’s a very rich because so they sell the milk but yeah, in a near village and a lot of butter, what’s it called, sheeps. Yeah.

So they have

It’s a big

The animals in there and they make things to sell?

Yeah, they sell.

Anything else from St Fagans?

Yeah.

Yeah?

Pocket’s bag, handmade.

Oh yeah?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It’s a pocket with hand, hand embroidery. It’s a common for Pakistanis, embroidery. Like a handmade shawls and pillow cases, cover, like it’s called big bag. Like in our language, it’s called a sandook, sandook cover or boxes, like a wood boxes and cover and handmade. Yeah, and then table cover, table cover and it’s a bed sheets, handmade bed sheets. Yeah, it’s a different style and a different embroidery and sometimes, it’s a pocket bags, it’s all, mostly used in the old people, old lady, in a inner side of clothes and you save the money. Yeah, and important things like our home keys, put in the inside, in the pocket. Yeah.

Did anyone you know have one of those?

No. I not use it. Yeah.

But did you, did a family member have one?

Yeah, my family members, mostly use. My families and my aunties made a handmade pillow cases, bed sheets and box covers. Yeah.

Did they have the pocket bags? Your aunties or your grandma, did they have the

Grandma.

Pocket?

Grandma, mostly uses but now, my grandma in a not, like it’s a past of it but she was still used. Yeah.

So can you tell me a bit about what it was like to see her use the pocket bag? What did it make you think?

Because I’m, it’s a child baby, I have no idea for what, what was this, uses this and my, I always, this pocket bag used to put in that (unclear – 30:51:2) and my grandma, because I’m too much child, not a, it’s a make, it’s not, five to six years and then, I’m always like a, like, like, like a left to the, when I’m left to the grandma house and I’m carrying that bag and my home, many of the others putting the everything is a dirty thing, like is a mud putting thus, this bag and break the leaf and put in this bag and every time, my grandma always complained with my mum, your daughter is too much not nice, I’m always, it’s like, it’s a, is, is clean, washing the, my bag and she’s always bring the bag.

So you would play with it and you would put mud and leaves in it?

Mud, yeah, because it’s a very beautiful bag. Bag is embroidered and it’s a bag. [Interpreter whispers to interviewee] Yeah, and in our language it’s called, it’s a thele, thelaa. Yeah, and this is a pocket bag in our language. It’s called, it’s a thelaa. Yeah.

So she would use it, what would she put in it?

Yeah, it’s a, a, like a, it’s a, it’s a common, it’s, it’s a bag and then, it’s the safe thing.

What would she put in there, money, keys?

Money, keys and sometimes, the older ladies come, going to the, going to the, like a shopping, it is a, it’s important things for the inside. Yeah.

So can you tell me, one more time?

Yeah, sometimes food put in the, this side. Yeah. [Interpreter whispers to interviewee] Sweets, like a, so in a, it’s a old lady mostly eat a paan. I don’t know in the English word says but in, it’s Urdu, and it is called a paan. It’s a sweet, like a sweet used, it’s old lady, they put in this bag and then.

And what did you say the Urdu word for bag was?

It’s thelaa. Yeah.

So in the museum, was it the pocket

Yeah.

The bag that was embroidered.

Yeah.

That’s the one that remem, reminded you?

Yeah, it’s a, I do think it’s a chemise. It’s a, I think is the pocket bag. It’s a, it’s called a thelaa or in Pakistani, old ladies sometimes, I saw own my eyes, like a, it’s a big pocket bag I saw them using but it’s a small in Pakistan and mostly it’s a, like a trouser belt. It’s a, than pockets, yeah.

And which one did your grandma have?

It’s a totally different because my grandma is, have no work, like no, not to doing and always sitting in the bag and then just made up a lot of bags and when anybody is coming new and the, then she give them as a gift, [interpreter interjects] thelaa, yeah, thelaa.

So is the one that she had small, in the shirt, or is it a big one, that she had?

It’s a big one is a shorts.

What, sorry?

Both of uses. It’s a big and shorts. [Interpreter injects] big one is thelaa.

Yeah.

[Interpreter interjects] and the small one is attached to the chemise

So your grandma had both?

Yeah.

And when you saw the pocket, it reminded you of both?

Yeah.

And which was the one that you put the mud in?

Because I had no idea for which purpose it is used because it’s a hidden or so I have really no idea and basically, my grandpa washed the, this type of bag and for dry with the, in the sun and then I would just look on the inside, nobody, anything and then just bring and go to them.

So where did you run with it? Where did you take it?

It’s a near, it’s a like a, another home, like a friend house and it was like, okay, friends, let’s go, go out and then, it’s a different, it’s the, in our village, it’s a big tree, like a, and then there just, like a climbed up tree and to put in like a thrown down leaf and put in this bag. Yeah, I am naughty, too much naughty.

Can you tell me a bit more about, about doing that, going up the tree, putting it in? How did it make you feel, doing that? Can you remember?

Yeah, I feel happy, no tension, no anybody and I’m, always, my mum is shouting and you are no child, it’s not good if you, you climb that tree, it’s maybe some tree’s broken and you fell down and maybe it’s hurting you but mum, no mum, it’s okay, I’m not lay down and then, yeah, because it’s a pocket bag, looking so nice, so beautiful and so very attract to me. Yeah, and always grandpa home is like a, bring and then go. Yeah.

So there was lots of nice looking things and?

Yeah, looking. It’s too much attraction to me. Yeah.

And you wanted to take it and go off?

And go off.

Yeah, great.

Yeah.

That’s really wonderful.

Thank you. Yeah.

Is that everything from St Fagans or is there more to tell?

No, I think so, it is, you know, yeah.

Is there anything else you want to tell us about the pocket bag?

Yeah,

[Interpreter] thelaa... Actually, it’s a, it’s a cloth bag.

It’s a cloth bag, yeah.

[Interpreter] It’s a cloth bag, it’s here now.

A tote bag?

[Interpreter] Yes. From leather, it’s cloth.

Yeah. Handmade.

Yeah, yeah. So that’s the one your grandma had?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, because my grandma is a free, every time, and she’s doing every, something is a, like is a embroidery and made a, like a hand pocket, yeah.

Okay.

It is like a, like sweater, is a handmade and every time she is doing, my gran, grandpa, ma, is feeling bored and then she is doing.

So she made things because she was bored?

Crochet, yeah, crochet.

Was the bag crocheted?

No, not in a crochet. Crochet like is a, a shirt, sweaters and a winter gift and when winter is coming, and my grandpa is like a crocheter, made a sweater, handmade sweaters and then, [interpreter whispers] knitting. I’m sorry, knitting. Knitting her sweaters and everything. Yeah, it’s a cap, it’s a gloves, and it’s a sweater and the baby shoes, handmade baby’s gloves, baby’s sweater, baby’s proper suit. Yeah.

So she would make all of those things?

Yeah.

When you were younger, and you saw your grandma making things, what did you think? What did you feel? Can you remember?

Yeah, I’m always like a, I have a lot of cousins and they’re always fighting, winter is coming and my grandpa knitting the, like somebody did a sweaters, it’s a gloves, scarf, and everything and every cousin, he is crying but my, now is a very attend. Are you ready for me? Are you ready for me? And then, my grandma always, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I do this, I do this but, at that time, my grandpa made a, his son are, not for ours. Yeah.

Can you repeat the last bit?

His son, like not for me and not for cousin.

What was not for your cousin?

Because I, we were always fighting and my grandpa, if she made for me, and another cousins maybe feel races for me and so.

So because you were fighting all the time?

Yeah.

Then no one has anything?

No. Yeah. Although, when a winter is a coming, it’s a six months like my mum is sitting in the bed and then use a lot of different skills, like a, a crochet and the knitting the sweaters and gloves, cap and everything is made in handmade and then, me and my other cousins, can my grandma, please grandma made for me cap or gloves and everything and my grandma is a smiley face, okay, my daughter, I do this, I do and, at that time, when everything is a ready and she is not give us, and she is gifting for another lady, maybe as my mum and my aunties and maybe as my uncles and we are always, grandma, you lying. My grandpa, no, no, no. Maybe it’s you are a lot and maybe I give you and you and maybe another cousins thought is a grandma is a racing. Every year, my grandma made a, a different thing but she gives one thing to every family members. Yeah, one family, thing is give my mum and then the, give things is my aunties, uncles. Yeah.

And what did it feel like, to get these different things?

Yeah, I feel happy.

What, what made you feel happy? Do you know why it made you feel happy?

Yeah, because when, we saw them in our eyes, my grandpa then is making, is a very smiley face, and it’s a very, it’s a hard working for me because I see this, it’s a very, like a consciousness and then, it’s a big, they’re different colours, it’s designing. It’s very hard and when, when she is, then it’s ready, it’s the sweaters and gloves and cap, so look how beautiful. It’s amazing and everyone is, gosh she’s, how, what is the result? What is the result?  And after completing, it’s, oh, that’s nice. Yeah.

That’s really nice. Yeah.

Ah thank you.

Yeah, that’s really good. Yeah. What was your favourite thing to get? Was it hat, gloves, a jumper?

Hat! My favourite thing is a hat because it’s uses are different things, different designs, different coloured, multi colours. I love multi colours. Yeah. My mum is a, like a, it’s a very simple place. Whenever, most of things I have in, back home, because my mum she always saying, I give to you, every year marriage ceremony, as a married gift. Mum, not give me because my mum thought, and you not like a save things and it’s a save things in my mum house.

So to keep things safe, there

Yeah.

In your mum’s house?

It’s a safe. Like a, most is a precious things, it’s a safe and most of time, it’s a, on wedding gift, mother give their daughters.

Okay.

Yeah, but my mum’s things, I am not more mature and maybe I’m not save these things because it’s a very important thing. It’s a special thing. It’s not to have made every time and more and more because it’s taking a lot of time. Yeah, a safety thing.

So the

[Interpreter] So her grandmother knitted for her but mum had kept some for her kids. So from her grandma

Yeah.

[Interpreter] As a safety thing, just like a

Yeah.

Ah okay.

Yeah, my grandma knitting, you know, I’m a, saying, every year, oh my grandpa knitting some things new for our family’s members and every year, my mum, my grandma knitting some things, something new, like sometimes it’s just not a cap, gloves, it’s a shoes, baby shoes and baby frocks and my mum is a safe and is, when I’m child, I’m not saying, oh mum, please give me and the, my mum, so, no you are not in and maybe you is a destroy and maybe it’s a, like a, you know, I think so, so maybe I not keep safe and maybe is a, like destroyed and everything and my mum say and then, she said, when you was younger, when you got married, I, when you have a child, I give to you and maybe you use as your child, your baby. Yeah.

Okay. Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you so much for everything. Yeah.

Oh thank you. Thank you.

Okay, so that’s it for St Fagans.

Yeah?

We’ve been going for almost an hour. I thought maybe you’d like a little break?

Yeah.

Yeah? Okay.